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Pillz_veritas · Apr 25, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Hockster

Why wouldn't there be FoW armor for the new classes? Upgrading your Prophecies account with a Factions key allows you to start a new Assassin or Ritualist in Ascalon if you want.

it has been believed that this is indeed not true, that you do not get the ability to make an assassin or ritualist in ascalon....

Hockster · Apr 25, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

We'll see, but Factions characters will be able to travel to Tyria.

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Originally Posted by ShadowStorm

Just a second, I'll go looking for the Gaile Grey interview in which she says exactly that. I'll edit my post and show you.

Not everything Gaile has said is exactly true. The game is always eveolving. What was true yesterday may not be tomorrow.

AxeMe · Apr 25, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

Here's my thoughts on whether to sell the ectos. Smile, like all financial advice, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

I'd hold them. The price has already dropped considerably. That means much of the risk is already gone.

This advice will be difficult to follow since (1) no one really knows what place ectos will have after Factions and (2) I think ecto prices may slide down more with that release.

But I think the "market" has already discounted the price of ectos based on the fear of what will happen. Worst case, there will be no use at all for ectos in Factions. However, we know that the original game will stay around and - my guess - the number of people playing it will not drop and could even grow. Many of the people who come into the game with Factions may eventually buy the original so that they'll have a complete world for adventuring.

About the only thing we do know now is that there definitely is a use for ectos and shards in the original game. So we know that won't change and we also know that the game will still be played. That means there will be some market for ectos and shards -- we just don't know how good that market will be.

In a situation like this it's smart, I think, to go with what you do know -- not what can be guessed. Since we know that there will be a market for ectos and that the price has already gone down, I'd hold them.

freddo · Apr 25, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

sometiimes, when I read you folks, I 'm asking myself if you're still playing a game...
you're talking about market, speculation prices, bankroute, benefits...

Peewee · Apr 25, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

Its hard to say. If there are equivalents to FoW armour in Factions that requires rare crafting materials other than Ectos and Shards (Rubies and Sapphires for example) then you can expect Ectos and Shards to prices to drop, in which case sell away right now. If FoW armour still is the ultimate peice of armour, then i think prices may rise slightly.

Whatever, personally, if i had a substantial amount, say 20 shards and 30 ectos i would keep them. However, i dont, and i tend to simply sell ectos as soon as get them.

Oh, and factions characters WILL be able to travel to Tyria. Otherwise there is little point to linking accounts, something ANET wants to make as popular as possible, becuase it frees up server space.

b0n3 · Apr 25, 2006, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Pillz_veritas

it has been believed that this is indeed not true, that you do not get the ability to make an assassin or ritualist in ascalon....

Are you 100% sure on this.. please clarrify.. It would be retarded if one were to be able to create a ranger (for example) in Factions but then not be able to create a Factions character in Prophecies...
If anyone knows what the situation is for A FACT. please reply

qazwersder · Apr 25, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

What about the new armour bonuses, such as plus health. Will there not be fissure sets with these bonuses?

Ichigo Yamato · Apr 25, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

someone told me that fow armor will be updated and still be top class armor(maybe implement stats on it?), and im also wondering now and i think ecto prices will DROP when factions comes out and then people will take advantage of the drop and mass buy ectos at the trader causing it to go back up. I mean like id spend 500k for fow armor without a second thought instead of a million, so i would mass buy ectos @ 5k? 4k? and get some fow. then it will go back up, im sure other people have the same idea? and also if the fow armor being updated is true then people will still be motivated to buy them with the same amount of motivation to buy new factions=to fow armor. I think ill keep my ectos and hope to god that they dont drop value

tuperwho · Apr 25, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

I plan on hanging onto my shards and ecto. I still want my FoW warrior armor. So if there is a use and prices are high, I'm happy I still got mine that are valueable. If not, and they become dirt cheap, then I'll scoop up the rest of what I need while prices are rock bottom. So I'll be happy either way

boxterduke · Apr 25, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by demon dantes

well the first response says it all obsidian ar lol would make u beleive obby shards if they say they r gunna have ecto armor then id save them but the prices have been dropping at a rapid rate id use the for a high end item or sell for cash

English please.

Back to topic, I'm saving mine.
I wanna see how Ritualist and Assassin FoW armor look and I do not think that there would be other "rare" crafting material for FoW armors other than Ectos and Shards.
Also from what we saw the new Monk armors do not do anything for me so I might end up getting FoW for my Monk.

b0n3 · Apr 25, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Adding another rare trader like the fow forgemaster will totally destroy the economy of the prophecies campaign causing a lot of players either to stop or get VERY annoyed.. I think FoW will just get updated and maybe more 15k armour traders for each class.

lennymon · Apr 25, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

All of my ectos and shards were gotten in runs Into FoW and UW so I'll not lose money by holding, and it is interesting to see ecto prices dropping BEFORE factions based purely on speculation. I want to outfit my lil necro lady in fissure armor because its one of, if not the, best looking sets of armor in prophesies.... I'll collect all the materials myself and it wont really cost me a penny, just time. I'm gonna play anyways, might as well set a goal right?
If the prices drop in the next week, I'll consider buying some, but only because I'd like to think I'll be spending a little more time in Cantha for awhile.

Akhilleus · Apr 25, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

i think you are all forgetting one key detail.
6 months ago ecto was the same price as it is now; in the 6-8k range, toggling up and down for a period of time, untill the 55 monk builds became well-known.
but, ecto prices skyrocketed when soemthing started happening; when the 55 monks started mass farming ecto (increasing the supply) the price actually went up, which is contrary to almost every single economic indicator known to man, by all means it doesnt make sense...untill you look at it more closely. before ecto became mass-farmed (literally thousands were being dumped a day) trading in excess of 100k was not an easy task, more often than not a person would give pieces of their armor as collateral to finish the trade. but when ecto started hitting the markets en-masse people started using them as an alternate form of currency; just like the fact that dollar bills ahve absolutly no actual value by themselves. why does money retain value? you cant eat it, you cant really play with it, you cant marry it, it wont bare your children, you cant watch TV on it, and it doesnt play your MP3s...so why the hell is that useless emagalation of paper and linen valuable? because of the knowledge that you can go to your local gorcerystore/street-corner/best-buy and get the things you want with it.
the same principle applied to ecto; when people started using them to mediate trades they themselves became a form of GW currency. yes, the value flucuates, but so does the value of actual currency, like in any market. and yes, its possible that in ch2 a new currency will come into fruition, but for the exact same reason people are worried, is the exact same reason they will stay artificially high; factions and prophecies are stand-alone-games...taiwon and japan just got ahold of prohpecies, and in that resides a brand-new ecto market. people just dont understand that the whole reason ecto went up in price is due to the accessability; with more ecto hitting the market it was actually possible to use them to moderate trades, but if people only buy half a dozen here and there, who the hell would want to substitute ecto for gold? it would take you longer to convert the ecto to gold than it would take you to sell the weapon. in short, the over-supplying of ecto actually made them more valuable initially, and now the prices change just due to natrual fluctuation in the market.
now, i more than anyone will tell you that ecto will more than likely drop in ch2; moreso in the begining, as all the little people panic to scrape up all the materials possible for their brand-new shiny 15k ch2 armor or whatever the case may be; but after that feeding frenzy is over, the value of the new items will subside, the market will stabilize, and i think you'll find that the most readily accessable high-value materials will become new forms of currency. i think you may find that even in ch2 ecto will hold some value; most certainly not the 12k+ value of late 2005, but i can virtually guerentee they wont tank entirely (for one, i dont think anet wants anyone with 10k to be able to afford fissure).

thats my sentiment on the matter.

aznfosho · Apr 25, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

i think you are all forgetting one key detail.
6 months ago ecto was the same price as it is now; in the 6-8k range, toggling up and down for a period of time, untill the 55 monk builds became well-known.
but, ecto prices skyrocketed when soemthing started happening; when the 55 monks started mass farming ecto (increasing the supply) the price actually went up, which is contrary to almost every single economic indicator known to man, by all means it doesnt make sense...untill you look at it more closely. before ecto became mass-farmed (literally thousands were being dumped a day) trading in excess of 100k was not an easy task, more often than not a person would give pieces of their armor as collateral to finish the trade. but when ecto started hitting the markets en-masse people started using them as an alternate form of currency; just like the fact that dollar bills ahve absolutly no actual value by themselves. why does money retain value? you cant eat it, you cant really play with it, you cant marry it, it wont bare your children, you cant watch TV on it, and it doesnt play your MP3s...so why the hell is that useless emagalation of paper and linen valuable? because of the knowledge that you can go to your local gorcerystore/street-corner/best-buy and get the things you want with it.
the same principle applied to ecto; when people started using them to mediate trades they themselves became a form of GW currency. yes, the value flucuates, but so does the value of actual currency, like in any market. and yes, its possible that in ch2 a new currency will come into fruition, but for the exact same reason people are worried, is the exact same reason they will stay artificially high; factions and prophecies are stand-alone-games...taiwon and japan just got ahold of prohpecies, and in that resides a brand-new ecto market. people just dont understand that the whole reason ecto went up in price is due to the accessability; with more ecto hitting the market it was actually possible to use them to moderate trades, but if people only buy half a dozen here and there, who the hell would want to substitute ecto for gold? it would take you longer to convert the ecto to gold than it would take you to sell the weapon. in short, the over-supplying of ecto actually made them more valuable initially, and now the prices change just due to natrual fluctuation in the market.
now, i more than anyone will tell you that ecto will more than likely drop in ch2; moreso in the begining, as all the little people panic to scrape up all the materials possible for their brand-new shiny 15k ch2 armor or whatever the case may be; but after that feeding frenzy is over, the value of the new items will subside, the market will stabilize, and i think you'll find that the most readily accessable high-value materials will become new forms of currency. i think you may find that even in ch2 ecto will hold some value; most certainly not the 12k+ value of late 2005, but i can virtually guerentee they wont tank entirely (for one, i dont think anet wants anyone with 10k to be able to afford fissure).

thats my sentiment on the matter.

nicely stated. agreed

Haggard · Apr 25, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

sold my FoW armour stash for 700k a few days ago, glad i did.. unless they skyrocket in factions (which i don't foresee).

themickman · Apr 25, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

well if everybody says that the prices of ectos and stuff will drop soon and then rise gradually later on, you dont you sell all the ones you have now, but bunch when they go down in price, and then sell later one when they are supposedly supposed to go back up?!?!?!?

pixel.summoner · Apr 25, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by tuperwho

I plan on hanging onto my shards and ecto. I still want my FoW warrior armor. So if there is a use and prices are high, I'm happy I still got mine that are valueable. If not, and they become dirt cheap, then I'll scoop up the rest of what I need while prices are rock bottom. So I'll be happy either way

That's what i'm sayin! I just have my chest piece for my female FoW then i'm done. So it's a win/win situation.
Either way there's always going to be an 'ecto' type item of some sort.. either here or in Cantha.
I think ecto will retain some value for Tyrians, and then something else for Canthans.. who knows. We'll soon find out! But yes, I agree tuper

logan90 · Apr 25, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Gaile has said that Ecto and Shards wont have a use in factions, however, there will be FoW armor for Ritualists and Assassins in Tyria. I asked Gaile and she said that the Ritualist and Assassin would not miss out. She better have been right, or my saving up of ectos/shards will probably have been for nothing.

Lady Erighan · Apr 25, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

I wanna see how Ritualist and Assassin FoW armor look and I do not think that there would be other "rare" crafting material for FoW armors other than Ectos and Shards.

You're making an assumption; that FoW will have armor of Ritualists and Assassins.

Why do you assume this? Factions and Prophecies are stand alone games. FoW is part of Prophecies. It has already been said that Factions will have similar high level maps to explore. You can't create Rits and Sins in Prophecies, they can only travel there. That basically makes me believe all armor NPCs for them will be located in Cantha.

Check out this link...somewhere there is a copy of response from Gaile.

Ecto and Shards

EternalTempest · Apr 25, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Someone pointed out in the new guide you can get ecto and gem from converitng certain monster drops in factions and some factions items.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...62#post1304062

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Originally Posted by Quash

you can salvage ectos from various eye, remains, and some new factions items. you canalso slavage rubies and saphires from things too...And if you think I'm making it up look at the guide Appendix B pgs 215-223